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Show Notes

Matt Cook and Buttsy kick off with a preview of the Fall Golf Season discussing emerging talent and veteran presence in the series. The branding of the Fall series is compared to the Korn Ferry tour, followed by a comprehensive Procore Championship preview, including Sahith Theegala's chances. They then shift to LIV Golf Chicago, exploring player dynamics, standings, and Anthony Kim's situation. The Swannies Style segment announces a major GIVEAWAY! Lastly the guys cover Bernhard Langer's anchoring controversy, leading to suggestions for new putter anchoring rules. The episode wraps up with a debate on rule 10.1b, Langer's technique, and acknowledgments.

(0:00) Welcome to the Pull Hook Golf podcast
(1:54) Fall Series Preview
(15:29) Branding of the Fall Series and Korn Ferry Tour comparison
(20:10) Comprehensive Procore Championship preview
(29:34) Sahith Theegala's chances at Procore Championship
(30:16) LIV Golf Chicago preview, player dynamics, and speculation
(39:58) LIV Golf Chicago standings and Anthony Kim's situation
(45:35) Swannies Style segment
(54:13) Golf's Anchorman: Bernhard Langer
(57:02) Champions Tour's stance and media's role in anchoring issue
(1:00:13) Clarifying rule 10.1b and Bernhard Langer's putting technique debate
(1:05:59) Recap of Episode Topics and Sponsor Acknowledgement

Show Transcript

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Welcome back, everybody, to Pull Hook Golf, the
podcast.

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I'm your host, Matt Cook.

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We've got our co-host back with us this week,
Mister Buttsy himself, the Buttsy on Instagram

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But tonight's episode, we've got the fall
series once again, folks.

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We talked a little bit about it last week.

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We got a little bit more of a preview this
week.

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We've also got the upcoming Fortinet
Championship.

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That is the that was, trying to think of the
technology company's name from last year that

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it was because I got into this whole thing as
to, like, the pronunciation of it.

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But this year, it's Fortinet.

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Pretty easy.

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But that's in Napa Valley, folks.

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So people are gonna be going to the French
Laundry, drinking their wines, having a great

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time.

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We've got the upcoming LIV Golf Chicago, which
seems like it's gonna be a little bit more

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stressful of an event.

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We're gonna talk about that.

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Then we've got the Swannies style segment.

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So, folks, make sure to hang on for us until
the Swannies style segment because we got a

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huge announcement that is going to be the
Swannies style segment.

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So this is gonna be different.

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I'll just give you a little hint right now.

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It might be a giveaway, and there might be some
details around that.

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And there might be a new promo code as well
that gets you even more money off at

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swannies.co.

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So make sure to hang on to there.

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And then we've got Trot Golfer segment.

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I am dedicating this one to you, my man.

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It is the Bernard Langer anchoring.

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Absolutely anchoring segment tonight.

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We're finally gonna dive into this.

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This has been a lifelong mission for Trot
Golfer, with Bernard Langer, and it was kinda

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cool.

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Trot was getting into it with Bob Estes, which
was pretty interesting on the X.

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You gotta put Bernard Langer's face on Will
Ferrell's for the movie cover for Anchorman,

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and, like, put that up for the promo.

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Oh my god.

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That's great.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You gotta put That's gonna be the cover
tomorrow.

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Oh, wait a second.

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I see that.

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That's gonna be great.

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Way to go, Buttsy.

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Yeah.

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That's what a start.

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Alright.

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Let's get into the fall series because this
whole thing, I've kind of as I've looked into

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this more and more and more, and I had an
interview that is gonna be coming out with

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Parker McLachlin, short game chef, PGA Tour
winner, so on and so forth.

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But now he's like a short game guru.

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But he was a guy that literally he wasn't one
of these top players.

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Right?

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So he's one of these guys that was hanging on
to his card just trying to make it to another

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year.

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You know, that one win was huge for him.

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But this fall series is kinda like, it's time.

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It's the proving ground for the new talent so
that they can actually get in an event or two

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and potentially win because a lot of the top
guys are not playing in these weeks.

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And, partially, I like the fact that and I'm
gonna give the tour some credit here.

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I like the fact that the tour has stopped the,
carryover season.

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So it's no longer the fall series counts
towards next year.

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Now the fall series is just in and of itself.

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And that part of it, I actually really like now
that this isn't part of the FedEx Cup points

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for next year.

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It does help with the, like, top ten for the
Aon Next.

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So that is if anybody's not familiar with the
Aon Next 10, which that just sounds like a

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video game, that is how people It

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does.

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It's how players get into the Signature Series
events.

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It's like the top ten points winners or points
I don't know how you put it, but they have

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points, right, for the FedEx Cup and so forth.

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But they'll gain points this fall.

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That's gonna help them heading into next season
Signature Series events.

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So that's the only thing it's gonna help with.

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Doesn't help towards the FedEx Cup rankings or
anything like that for 2025.

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So I've kind of relooked at this where, you
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like Kevin Streelman, for instance, look at the
Signature Series events very negatively.

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It's not something that's gonna help the
broader PGA Tour.

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It's only going to help the top seventy
players, let's say, or seventy-two is the

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minimum for next year.

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So my question to you, Buttsy, with all of that
being said, what's your take on this little

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fall series?

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Do you like this that it's almost like the new
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PGA Tour rankings?

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This is like their season now.

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You know, I liken it to baseball.

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Right?

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Baseball has three tiers.

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They have well, they have four tiers.

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Yeah.

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Single A, Double A, Triple A.

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And then you get called up and, like and then
and then even after you get called up, you

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gotta you gotta really earn your spot to stay
in the fucking big leagues.

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Yeah.

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You can go back and forth.

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You can get DFA'd as well.

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And I'm not saying I agree with what they're
doing, but if you look at it through that

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optic, I don't know.

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Like, why is that such a big fucking deal?

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You have Korn Ferry, how many guys that
graduate from Korn Ferry Tour every year, this

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would be a good stat to look up, keep their
card the following year?

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What percentage of them?

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Because I know when it used to be when you used
to just go get your PGA Tour card and you were,

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like, on tour when you got through Q School, it
was, like, some stupid percentage, like, 95%

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didn't keep their card.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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I wonder what percentage of Korn Ferry
graduates that get a card, keep it the next

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year.

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And if that's a high number, maybe it's not
such a bad idea to then have another

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intermediary spot for them, like, on the PGA
Tour.

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They're on tour, but now you gotta earn your
way into the real big leagues, which is those

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signature series events.

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Makes sense.

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And here's the thing though.

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Like, Harrison Endycott won the Q School last
year.

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Right?

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Now I'm getting away from a little bit from the
Korn Ferry side, but from Q School and couldn't

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get like, couldn't play in a lot of these
events to start off the year.

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So, like, for somebody like him, it really
takes a long time, like, to get to the point to

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where you can play in some of these
tournaments.

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And that's,

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how do you get into the top 70 quickly?

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You gotta win.

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But, I mean, that's the problem with being a
new player on tour now is that all these

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signature series events and a lot of the other
events are kinda stacked in where a lot of the

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players can't get in that are from Q School,
from Korn Ferry, that are graduates and so

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forth.

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So it is tough for these guys to be able to go
and get into a signature series event,

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especially in the beginning of the year.

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So it kinda pushes them now towards those
secondary events, kinda like what you're

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saying, the tiers.

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You know, when there's a signature series event
sometime, there is a corresponding event that's

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happening down, gosh, in the Dominican Republic
or some of these other more exotic areas, I'll

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say, while those tournaments are going on.

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Right?

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That's for the lower, like, the lower-tier
players that are towards the bottom of the

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rankings.

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Now in addition to that, they also have this
fall series that they get to play in and kinda,

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you know, a lot of the top talent isn't playing
in these, so it really becomes more so for

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them.

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And I think the tour could brand it as such.

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Like, I just feel like there's so much
opportunity

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for them to something else.

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Yeah.

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Like, I mean, I just think of WWE.

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It's like WWE Next.

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It's like PGA Tour's future

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Proving Grounds or whatever you wanna call it.

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Like, I don't know.

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Yeah.

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I'm with you 100% on that.

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It just doesn't really feel like it's being
promoted properly or but when I looked at it,

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that's what it is.

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Like, that's what these next weeks are really
going to be about.

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And how many events do we have, like, where
they're trying to basically put their name in

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the sand to get into a signature event?

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Like, how many we got?

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For the fall series, no.

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There's more than just four.

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I mean, it pretty much runs through until
December, basically.

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So you got Procore, that's this week, then
you've got a week off for the Presidents Cup,

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then you've got, let's see, Sanderson Farms.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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Sanderson Farms in October, that first week of
October.

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Then we've got that new event in Black Desert
in Utah.

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That thing

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looks

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sick.

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I wanna play golf out there so bad, dude.

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Exactly.

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So that's gonna be interesting, of a golf
tournament.

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You know, Tony Finau's gotta play in that one.

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The Shriners Children's Open, a lot of guys
like to play in that.

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Then you've got Zozo.

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So Zozo is gonna be the first one that isn't
necessarily for those guys.

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So but that first group of tournaments,
Procore, 1, 2, 3, 4.

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I mean, you called it four.

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But then you get down to the Worldwide
Technology Championship.

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That's another one that's gonna be easier to
get into down in Cabo.

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That's at Tiger's course at Diamante.

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Then you got the Butterfield Bermuda
Championship.

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Once again, lot of guys can get into that.

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Then you've got the RSM Classic, with that one
in Sea Island.

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Now I know a lot of guys playing that, but then
you've got the Hero World Challenge.

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So, basically through November, you've got a
lot of opportunities.

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So let's count it up.

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1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.

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So you got 7 tournaments for these

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young guys.

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Is there a bar?

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Like, is there a defined bar?

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If I am in the top 20, like, if I average in
the top 20 for, let's say, I start in all those

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events, am I gonna get into the signature
series?

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Where's the where's the metric at?

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Right?

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Like, that's what I'm saying.

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So, like, it would be cool to know, that there
is kind of a benchmark that you need to hit

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being a lower-tier player to kinda get the
call-up, so to speak, and get into Signature

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events if you play well enough.

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Now I know that could be a win and then, you
know, 31st and then a you know what I mean?

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But the average, where do you need to be
sitting after all those starts to get into

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Signature Series?

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Yeah.

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So that's

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what it should be like.

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I totally agree with you.

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The one thing that I will say in addition to
that is when it comes to, and Trot Golfer

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mentions it here, a lot of veterans are playing
this week.

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Well, a lot of veterans play in this fall
series that are lower in the rankings.

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So I guess it's not technically just young
future talent.

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Right?

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It's also guys that are trying to get their
game back up in the rankings or get themselves

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back up in the rankings that have played well
in the past and are veterans on the PGA Tour

226
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like a Kevin Streelman, like a Camilo Villegas
last year.

227
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Because I was looking at some of the winners of
these events.

228
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Right?

229
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So

230
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Yeah.

231
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One, you've got Sahith Theegala won the
Fortinet Championship last year.

232
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That's where they're playing this week.

233
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That was his very first victory.

234
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So boom.

235
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Right there.

236
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Young talent gave him an opportunity to win.

237
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Then you've got Sanderson Farms.

238
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Luke List ends up winning that one.

239
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So a little bit of a veteran, I would say, out
of Luke List.

240
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Not maybe that that's probably not the best
example.

241
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Then you've got the Shriners, where Tom Kim
won.

242
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Okay?

243
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So that was somebody who's won previously.

244
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Then I'm gonna skip over the Zozo.

245
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The Worldwide Technology Championship, Erik van
Rooyen won.

246
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Then you've got Butterfield Bermuda
Championship, and this is where, once again,

247
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you kinda see that veteran player, Camilo
Villegas, wins after years of not winning on

248
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tour.

249
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So that was a great opportunity for him to
kinda get back into the fold, keep his PGA Tour

250
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card.

251
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And then at the RSM Classic, you had rookie
Ludvig Ã…berg win there.

252
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So it's kinda this mix between these old guys
as well as these young players.

253
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So there's gotta be something branding-wise.

254
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I haven't thought about it enough heading into
this conversation to be like, hey.

255
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This is what the PGA Tour should be promoting
this as.

256
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And I don't know.

257
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I guess I guess I like it.

258
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I just wonder at the end of the year, like, in
the signature events, are you really enhancing

259
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the product?

260
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Like, are those events really now showcasing
the players that are playing their absolute

261
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best, the best in the world?

262
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No.

263
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And that's who should be playing in those.

264
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Like, is that a good representation of that?

265
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I don't know.

266
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You know what?

267
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That goes back to the branding of this whole
thing, that it's the PGA Tour, but they could

268
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have it branded as something slightly
different.

269
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I think fall series doesn't it obviously, it's
seasonality, but as Run PMC says, it's silly

270
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season, which was Fall.

271
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Something I called it years back on the
podcast.

272
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I was like, silly season is upon us, and this
is what this fall series really is.

273
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And that was when it was carrying over into the
next year for FedEx Cup points, standings, and

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all that.

275
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That's why we had a Justin Thomas appearance
last year, and now he's, I don't, I believe, is

276
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he playing in it this week?

277
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I'm not quite sure.

278
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I'll have to double check.

279
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I mean, maybe they were super tricky about it.

280
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Maybe it's called the fall series, not only
because it's fall, but because it's for the

281
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players that fell off.

282
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You know?

283
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You ever think about that?

284
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I love it.

285
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Like, they could call this, like I think what
we labeled this segment kinda as, and I don't

286
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even know if I mentioned that at the beginning
of introducing this segment, but the proving

287
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grounds of what you said as well.

288
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And maybe it's a proving grounds, young versus
old.

289
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Yeah.

290
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Some sort of zest to it to let people know that
this is very much these guys battling it out to

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get back to the top or to have their first
chance at being, you know, one of the best.

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302
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For sure.

303
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And Kyle over at Carpal and Kai's, this isn't
the presidential debate.

304
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Goddamn right, it's not.

305
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He said presidential debate.

306
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This isn't the presidential debate.

307
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And then Tri Golfer throws in there Sean
O'Hair.

308
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What a journeyman.

309
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Like, these are some of the guys that you see
end up getting their careers back on track,

310
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being able to keep their cards.

311
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And I just I kinda endear this side to the
season because of the potential that's there.

312
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I'm with you that it's not the absolute best
teeing it up against each other.

313
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But is that I mean, we saw it funny.

314
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And I keep going back to this in my head.

315
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I'm like, the first part of the year, that
really was the golf year.

316
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Right?

317
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Kinda ended in June.

318
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Now all of a sudden, we're like, alright.

319
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Now we've got the rest of the guys that are on
tour.

320
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What do you think?

321
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You seem perplexed.

322
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I said, with the with the signature series
events, basically, by the time we get to June,

323
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golf season's pretty much over.

324
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Yeah.

325
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For, like, having the absolute top talent going
against each other.

326
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And I and I guess that's kinda by design, but
then from there, now we head into a season to

327
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where a lot of the top guys aren't gonna be
playing.

328
00:17:03,750 --> 00:17:03,830
No.

329
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We got the shitters.

330
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We got the shitters battling it out in the
coliseum, you know, trying to get back to the

331
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big leagues.

332
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That's what it is.

333
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That's what they're trying to make of it.

334
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Right?

335
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Like, there's no other explanation for it.

336
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No.

337
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And that's why I think they're doing it a
disservice by calling it the fall series on the

338
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PGA Tour.

339
00:17:20,914 --> 00:17:21,315
Yeah.

340
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You you I don't know.

341
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The PGA Tour is so nice.

342
00:17:26,595 --> 00:17:26,914
Right?

343
00:17:26,914 --> 00:17:29,174
They're not gonna I don't know.

344
00:17:29,234 --> 00:17:30,595
Everybody's feelings are hurt.

345
00:17:30,595 --> 00:17:31,315
Hey, shitters.

346
00:17:31,315 --> 00:17:31,875
Get over here.

347
00:17:31,875 --> 00:17:33,015
You're playing these events.

348
00:17:33,299 --> 00:17:34,740
You don't belong with the big boys.

349
00:17:34,740 --> 00:17:36,200
Here comes the bottom bucket.

350
00:17:37,460 --> 00:17:39,320
It's the bottom bottom bucket season.

351
00:17:40,019 --> 00:17:40,519
Yeah.

352
00:17:41,220 --> 00:17:41,619
Yeah.

353
00:17:41,619 --> 00:17:43,480
There's gotta be a better word for that.

354
00:17:44,820 --> 00:17:45,320
Yeah.

355
00:17:45,380 --> 00:17:46,680
We can work on that.

356
00:17:46,835 --> 00:17:48,674
I mean, proving grounds is pretty good.

357
00:17:48,674 --> 00:17:49,474
You know, that's what you're doing.

358
00:17:49,474 --> 00:17:49,954
You're Yeah.

359
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That is yourself.

360
00:17:51,075 --> 00:17:51,575
Yeah.

361
00:17:51,795 --> 00:17:52,035
Yeah.

362
00:17:52,035 --> 00:17:53,315
These are the proving grounds.

363
00:17:53,315 --> 00:17:53,555
Well

364
00:17:53,714 --> 00:17:56,055
Welcome to PGA Tour proving grounds.

365
00:17:56,674 --> 00:17:56,994
Yeah.

366
00:17:56,994 --> 00:17:58,595
Proving grounds event coming up.

367
00:17:58,595 --> 00:18:00,275
Oh, it's a proving grounds event?

368
00:18:00,275 --> 00:18:00,595
Okay.

369
00:18:00,595 --> 00:18:01,095
Cool.

370
00:18:01,470 --> 00:18:02,910
Who's, who's on the bubble?

371
00:18:02,910 --> 00:18:03,150
Right?

372
00:18:03,150 --> 00:18:06,450
Who needs to play well this week to secure a
spot in the signature event?

373
00:18:06,669 --> 00:18:08,509
Potentially change their lives playing for all.

374
00:18:08,509 --> 00:18:15,490
And the cash is like, what is a what is a win
in the fall series versus a signature event

375
00:18:15,950 --> 00:18:16,769
money wise?

376
00:18:17,455 --> 00:18:18,414
Big difference.

377
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Big.

378
00:18:20,174 --> 00:18:21,475
Like yeah.

379
00:18:21,535 --> 00:18:24,515
They're like I I mean, they're decent purses.

380
00:18:24,575 --> 00:18:29,555
I mean, the guys are still winning a mil, like,
in a mil and a half depending on the event.

381
00:18:29,615 --> 00:18:33,950
They're, like, between, I just saw one for $6
million.

382
00:18:33,950 --> 00:18:37,250
So this one this week is $6 million.

383
00:18:37,390 --> 00:18:40,450
Then you got $7.6 million at Sanderson Farms.

384
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Then at Black Desert, you got $7.5 million.

385
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Shriners is $7 million.

386
00:18:45,164 --> 00:18:49,985
Zozo is $8.5 million, but that's gonna be more
of your top guys on tour.

387
00:18:51,565 --> 00:18:57,085
$7.2 million for the Worldwide Technology, $6.9
million for Bermuda, and then it ends with the

388
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RSM at $8 million.

389
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So it's not like, that's pretty good purses,
but it's not Yep.

390
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The Signature Series events.

391
00:19:05,019 --> 00:19:05,740
You know what I mean?

392
00:19:05,740 --> 00:19:07,660
Or what do you and what do you win on Korn
Ferry?

393
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Like, $400,000, something like that?

394
00:19:10,380 --> 00:19:10,700
Yeah.

395
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Probably.

396
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I think around that.

397
00:19:13,105 --> 00:19:20,625
So so so they've created, you know, a gap
wedge, so to speak, in professional golf.

398
00:19:20,625 --> 00:19:21,744
Korn Ferry, you made it.

399
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You're playing with the big boys, but you're
not quite there.

400
00:19:24,144 --> 00:19:25,599
Like, you're not yeah.

401
00:19:25,599 --> 00:19:28,960
And you gotta stay you gotta stay up there to
play for all that money.

402
00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:29,599
I don't know.

403
00:19:29,599 --> 00:19:30,419
I like it.

404
00:19:30,799 --> 00:19:34,819
I kinda I kinda like just what we've talked
about, Proving Grounds.

405
00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:35,599
Yeah.

406
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Proving Grounds.

407
00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:37,440
It's the season Proving Grounds.

408
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Yeah.

409
00:19:37,919 --> 00:19:40,339
It's the season for guys to prove themselves.

410
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Yeah.

411
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And I think that's how it should be bring I
think you could actually build up something big

412
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around that.

413
00:19:48,454 --> 00:19:48,934
You could.

414
00:19:48,934 --> 00:19:50,794
You could create a whole lot of drama.

415
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You could cover journeymen.

416
00:19:53,414 --> 00:19:55,095
Oh, that's they're like

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1 00:00:05,359 --> 00:00:08,259 Welcome back, everybody, to Pull Hook Golf, the podcast. 2 00:00:08,559 --> 00:00:09,919 I'm your host, Matt Cook. 3 00:00:09,919 --> 00:00:16,295 We've got our co-host back with us this week, Mister Buttsy himself, the Buttsy on Instagram 4 00:00:16,675 --> 00:00:19,574 or the underscore Buttsy on Instagram. 5 00:00:20,195 --> 00:00:24,855 Make sure to give him a nice little follow, and make sure to follow the Pull Hook Golf podcast 6 00:00:24,914 --> 00:00:30,890 whether you are listening on any podcast platform because we are everywhere, or if 7 00:00:30,890 --> 00:00:35,609 you're watching on YouTube or on millions.co, make sure to follow the channel.

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12 00:00:49,034 --> 00:00:53,835 But tonight's episode, we've got the fall series once again, folks. 13 00:00:53,835 --> 00:00:55,354 We talked a little bit about it last week. 14 00:00:55,354 --> 00:00:57,570 We got a little bit more of a preview this week. 15 00:00:58,049 --> 00:01:00,789 We've also got the upcoming Fortinet Championship.

16 00:01:00,929 --> 00:01:07,010 That is the that was, trying to think of the technology company's name from last year that 17 00:01:07,010 --> 00:01:11,564 it was because I got into this whole thing as to, like, the pronunciation of it. 18 00:01:11,564 --> 00:01:12,864 But this year, it's Fortinet. 19 00:01:13,004 --> 00:01:13,805 Pretty easy. 20 00:01:14,045 --> 00:01:15,724 But that's in Napa Valley, folks.

21 00:01:15,724 --> 00:01:19,724 So people are gonna be going to the French Laundry, drinking their wines, having a great 22 00:01:19,724 --> 00:01:20,224 time. 23 00:01:20,444 --> 00:01:25,230 We've got the upcoming LIV Golf Chicago, which seems like it's gonna be a little bit more 24 00:01:25,230 --> 00:01:26,270 stressful of an event. 25 00:01:26,270 --> 00:01:27,630 We're gonna talk about that. 26 00:01:27,630 --> 00:01:29,469 Then we've got the Swannies style segment.

27 00:01:29,469 --> 00:01:34,510 So, folks, make sure to hang on for us until the Swannies style segment because we got a 28 00:01:34,510 --> 00:01:38,350 huge announcement that is going to be the Swannies style segment. 29 00:01:38,350 --> 00:01:39,935 So this is gonna be different. 30 00:01:41,435 --> 00:01:42,795 I'll just give you a little hint right now. 31 00:01:42,795 --> 00:01:46,395 It might be a giveaway, and there might be some details around that.

32 00:01:46,395 --> 00:01:52,555 And there might be a new promo code as well that gets you even more money off at 33 00:01:52,555 --> 00:01:54,510 swannies.co. 34 00:01:54,510 --> 00:01:55,790 So make sure to hang on to there. 35 00:01:55,790 --> 00:01:57,969 And then we've got Trot Golfer segment. 36 00:01:58,030 --> 00:02:00,129 I am dedicating this one to you, my man.

37 00:02:00,189 --> 00:02:02,609 It is the Bernard Langer anchoring. 38 00:02:03,230 --> 00:02:06,349 Absolutely anchoring segment tonight. 39 00:02:06,349 --> 00:02:08,294 We're finally gonna dive into this. 40 00:02:08,294 --> 00:02:14,215 This has been a lifelong mission for Trot Golfer, with Bernard Langer, and it was kinda 41 00:02:14,215 --> 00:02:14,534 cool.

42 00:02:14,534 --> 00:02:19,675 Trot was getting into it with Bob Estes, which was pretty interesting on the X. 43 00:02:20,534 --> 00:02:27,830 You gotta put Bernard Langer's face on Will Ferrell's for the movie cover for Anchorman, 44 00:02:28,449 --> 00:02:30,469 and, like, put that up for the promo. 45 00:02:30,530 --> 00:02:31,169 Oh my god. 46 00:02:31,169 --> 00:02:32,150 That's great.

47 00:02:32,449 --> 00:02:32,930 Yeah. 48 00:02:32,930 --> 00:02:33,169 Yeah. 49 00:02:33,169 --> 00:02:36,069 You gotta put That's gonna be the cover tomorrow. 50 00:02:36,344 --> 00:02:37,391 Oh, wait a second.

51 00:02:37,391 --> 00:02:38,277 I see that. 52 00:02:38,277 --> 00:02:39,458 That's gonna be great. 53 00:02:39,458 --> 00:02:40,844 Way to go, Buttsy. 54 00:02:41,064 --> 00:02:41,305 Yeah.

55 00:02:41,305 --> 00:02:42,764 That's what a start. 56 00:02:43,064 --> 00:02:43,384 Alright. 57 00:02:43,384 --> 00:02:49,319 Let's get into the fall series because this whole thing, I've kind of as I've looked into 58 00:02:49,319 --> 00:02:53,719 this more and more and more, and I had an interview that is gonna be coming out with 59 00:02:53,719 --> 00:02:57,639 Parker McLachlin, short game chef, PGA Tour winner, so on and so forth. 60 00:02:57,639 --> 00:02:59,239 But now he's like a short game guru.

61 00:02:59,239 --> 00:03:03,865 But he was a guy that literally he wasn't one of these top players. 62 00:03:03,865 --> 00:03:04,104 Right? 63 00:03:04,104 --> 00:03:08,905 So he's one of these guys that was hanging on to his card just trying to make it to another 64 00:03:08,905 --> 00:03:09,405 year. 65 00:03:09,465 --> 00:03:12,604 You know, that one win was huge for him.

66 00:03:12,905 --> 00:03:16,580 But this fall series is kinda like, it's time. 67 00:03:16,580 --> 00:03:22,500 It's the proving ground for the new talent so that they can actually get in an event or two 68 00:03:22,500 --> 00:03:28,840 and potentially win because a lot of the top guys are not playing in these weeks. 69 00:03:29,060 --> 00:03:33,914 And, partially, I like the fact that and I'm gonna give the tour some credit here. 70 00:03:34,055 --> 00:03:38,875 I like the fact that the tour has stopped the, carryover season.

71 00:03:39,254 --> 00:03:42,689 So it's no longer the fall series counts towards next year. 72 00:03:42,849 --> 00:03:45,510 Now the fall series is just in and of itself. 73 00:03:46,129 --> 00:03:52,290 And that part of it, I actually really like now that this isn't part of the FedEx Cup points 74 00:03:52,290 --> 00:03:53,270 for next year. 75 00:03:53,330 --> 00:03:58,629 It does help with the, like, top ten for the Aon Next.

76 00:03:59,625 --> 00:04:04,264 So that is if anybody's not familiar with the Aon Next 10, which that just sounds like a 77 00:04:04,264 --> 00:04:07,384 video game, that is how people It 78 00:04:07,384 --> 00:04:07,864 does. 79 00:04:07,864 --> 00:04:10,604 It's how players get into the Signature Series events. 80 00:04:11,305 --> 00:04:18,740 It's like the top ten points winners or points I don't know how you put it, but they have 81 00:04:18,740 --> 00:04:21,959 points, right, for the FedEx Cup and so forth. 82 00:04:22,899 --> 00:04:24,819 But they'll gain points this fall.

83 00:04:24,819 --> 00:04:28,339 That's gonna help them heading into next season Signature Series events. 84 00:04:28,339 --> 00:04:30,164 So that's the only thing it's gonna help with. 85 00:04:30,164 --> 00:04:34,024 Doesn't help towards the FedEx Cup rankings or anything like that for 2025. 86 00:04:34,644 --> 00:04:40,745 So I've kind of relooked at this where, you know, Parker and a lot of other PGA Tour guys, 87 00:04:40,884 --> 00:04:45,689 like Kevin Streelman, for instance, look at the Signature Series events very negatively.

88 00:04:46,149 --> 00:04:50,149 It's not something that's gonna help the broader PGA Tour. 89 00:04:50,149 --> 00:04:55,269 It's only going to help the top seventy players, let's say, or seventy-two is the 90 00:04:55,269 --> 00:04:56,889 minimum for next year. 91 00:04:57,404 --> 00:05:03,324 So my question to you, Buttsy, with all of that being said, what's your take on this little 92 00:05:03,324 --> 00:05:04,045 fall series? 93 00:05:04,045 --> 00:05:09,004 Do you like this that it's almost like the new talent or the guys towards the bottom of the 94 00:05:09,004 --> 00:05:10,225 PGA Tour rankings?

95 00:05:10,285 --> 00:05:11,939 This is like their season now. 96 00:05:12,660 --> 00:05:15,080 You know, I liken it to baseball. 97 00:05:15,220 --> 00:05:15,720 Right? 98 00:05:16,660 --> 00:05:18,279 Baseball has three tiers.

99 00:05:18,740 --> 00:05:20,500 They have well, they have four tiers. 100 00:05:20,500 --> 00:05:20,899 Yeah. 101 00:05:20,899 --> 00:05:23,560 Single A, Double A, Triple A. 102 00:05:23,939 --> 00:05:28,074 And then you get called up and, like and then and then even after you get called up, you 103 00:05:28,074 --> 00:05:31,514 gotta you gotta really earn your spot to stay in the fucking big leagues.

104 00:05:31,514 --> 00:05:31,754 Yeah. 105 00:05:31,754 --> 00:05:32,875 You can go back and forth. 106 00:05:32,875 --> 00:05:34,975 You can get DFA'd as well. 107 00:05:35,435 --> 00:05:40,714 And I'm not saying I agree with what they're doing, but if you look at it through that 108 00:05:40,714 --> 00:05:42,314 optic, I don't know.

109 00:05:42,314 --> 00:05:44,819 Like, why is that such a big fucking deal? 110 00:05:44,959 --> 00:05:49,279 You have Korn Ferry, how many guys that graduate from Korn Ferry Tour every year, this 111 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,800 would be a good stat to look up, keep their card the following year? 112 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:54,000 What percentage of them? 113 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,600 Because I know when it used to be when you used to just go get your PGA Tour card and you were, 114 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:02,475 like, on tour when you got through Q School, it was, like, some stupid percentage, like, 95% 115 00:06:02,935 --> 00:06:03,814 didn't keep their card.

116 00:06:03,814 --> 00:06:04,214 Right? 117 00:06:04,214 --> 00:06:04,694 Yeah. 118 00:06:04,694 --> 00:06:09,574 I wonder what percentage of Korn Ferry graduates that get a card, keep it the next 119 00:06:09,574 --> 00:06:10,074 year. 120 00:06:10,615 --> 00:06:14,960 And if that's a high number, maybe it's not such a bad idea to then have another 121 00:06:15,100 --> 00:06:18,699 intermediary spot for them, like, on the PGA Tour.

122 00:06:18,699 --> 00:06:23,180 They're on tour, but now you gotta earn your way into the real big leagues, which is those 123 00:06:23,180 --> 00:06:24,480 signature series events. 124 00:06:24,620 --> 00:06:25,439 Makes sense. 125 00:06:25,500 --> 00:06:26,800 And here's the thing though. 126 00:06:27,259 --> 00:06:30,035 Like, Harrison Endycott won the Q School last year.

127 00:06:30,035 --> 00:06:30,275 Right? 128 00:06:30,275 --> 00:06:34,675 Now I'm getting away from a little bit from the Korn Ferry side, but from Q School and couldn't 129 00:06:34,675 --> 00:06:38,055 get like, couldn't play in a lot of these events to start off the year. 130 00:06:38,194 --> 00:06:44,060 So, like, for somebody like him, it really takes a long time, like, to get to the point to 131 00:06:44,060 --> 00:06:45,920 where you can play in some of these tournaments. 132 00:06:46,459 --> 00:06:48,860 And that's, 133 00:06:49,819 --> 00:06:52,800 how do you get into the top 70 quickly?

134 00:06:53,259 --> 00:06:54,319 You gotta win. 135 00:06:54,814 --> 00:06:59,294 But, I mean, that's the problem with being a new player on tour now is that all these 136 00:06:59,294 --> 00:07:05,694 signature series events and a lot of the other events are kinda stacked in where a lot of the 137 00:07:05,694 --> 00:07:11,519 players can't get in that are from Q School, from Korn Ferry, that are graduates and so 138 00:07:11,519 --> 00:07:12,019 forth. 139 00:07:12,319 --> 00:07:19,519 So it is tough for these guys to be able to go and get into a signature series event, 140 00:07:19,519 --> 00:07:20,959 especially in the beginning of the year. 141 00:07:20,959 --> 00:07:26,435 So it kinda pushes them now towards those secondary events, kinda like what you're 142 00:07:26,435 --> 00:07:27,394 saying, the tiers.

143 00:07:27,394 --> 00:07:33,394 You know, when there's a signature series event sometime, there is a corresponding event that's 144 00:07:33,394 --> 00:07:41,770 happening down, gosh, in the Dominican Republic or some of these other more exotic areas, I'll 145 00:07:41,770 --> 00:07:44,170 say, while those tournaments are going on. 146 00:07:44,170 --> 00:07:44,670 Right? 147 00:07:45,210 --> 00:07:50,009 That's for the lower, like, the lower-tier players that are towards the bottom of the 148 00:07:50,009 --> 00:07:50,509 rankings. 149 00:07:51,035 --> 00:07:58,074 Now in addition to that, they also have this fall series that they get to play in and kinda, 150 00:07:58,235 --> 00:08:04,074 you know, a lot of the top talent isn't playing in these, so it really becomes more so for 151 00:08:04,074 --> 00:08:04,555 them.

152 00:08:04,555 --> 00:08:07,889 And I think the tour could brand it as such. 153 00:08:07,949 --> 00:08:09,970 Like, I just feel like there's so much opportunity 154 00:08:10,509 --> 00:08:12,289 for them to something else. 155 00:08:12,349 --> 00:08:12,589 Yeah. 156 00:08:12,589 --> 00:08:15,169 Like, I mean, I just think of WWE.

157 00:08:15,229 --> 00:08:16,589 It's like WWE Next. 158 00:08:16,589 --> 00:08:18,829 It's like PGA Tour's future 159 00:08:19,714 --> 00:08:21,875 Proving Grounds or whatever you wanna call it. 160 00:08:21,875 --> 00:08:23,235 Like, I don't know. 161 00:08:23,235 --> 00:08:23,634 Yeah.

162 00:08:23,875 --> 00:08:25,395 I'm with you 100% on that. 163 00:08:25,395 --> 00:08:32,355 It just doesn't really feel like it's being promoted properly or but when I looked at it, 164 00:08:32,355 --> 00:08:33,495 that's what it is. 165 00:08:33,634 --> 00:08:37,049 Like, that's what these next weeks are really going to be about. 166 00:08:37,429 --> 00:08:42,710 And how many events do we have, like, where they're trying to basically put their name in 167 00:08:42,710 --> 00:08:44,870 the sand to get into a signature event?

168 00:08:44,870 --> 00:08:46,490 Like, how many we got? 169 00:08:46,950 --> 00:08:48,389 For the fall series, no. 170 00:08:48,389 --> 00:08:49,850 There's more than just four. 171 00:08:49,965 --> 00:08:54,605 I mean, it pretty much runs through until December, basically.

172 00:08:54,605 --> 00:09:00,465 So you got Procore, that's this week, then you've got a week off for the Presidents Cup, 173 00:09:01,004 --> 00:09:05,170 then you've got, let's see, Sanderson Farms. 174 00:09:07,389 --> 00:09:07,710 Right? 175 00:09:07,710 --> 00:09:08,029 Yeah. 176 00:09:08,029 --> 00:09:10,769 Sanderson Farms in October, that first week of October.

177 00:09:10,830 --> 00:09:14,049 Then we've got that new event in Black Desert in Utah. 178 00:09:14,590 --> 00:09:15,070 That thing 179 00:09:15,070 --> 00:09:15,570 looks 180 00:09:15,950 --> 00:09:16,450 sick. 181 00:09:16,894 --> 00:09:19,054 I wanna play golf out there so bad, dude. 182 00:09:19,054 --> 00:09:19,554 Exactly.

183 00:09:20,014 --> 00:09:23,215 So that's gonna be interesting, of a golf tournament. 184 00:09:23,215 --> 00:09:25,955 You know, Tony Finau's gotta play in that one. 185 00:09:26,495 --> 00:09:29,955 The Shriners Children's Open, a lot of guys like to play in that. 186 00:09:30,950 --> 00:09:32,309 Then you've got Zozo.

187 00:09:32,309 --> 00:09:37,990 So Zozo is gonna be the first one that isn't necessarily for those guys. 188 00:09:37,990 --> 00:09:42,470 So but that first group of tournaments, Procore, 1, 2, 3, 4. 189 00:09:42,470 --> 00:09:44,284 I mean, you called it four. 190 00:09:44,985 --> 00:09:48,205 But then you get down to the Worldwide Technology Championship.

191 00:09:48,825 --> 00:09:51,964 That's another one that's gonna be easier to get into down in Cabo. 192 00:09:52,024 --> 00:09:53,725 That's at Tiger's course at Diamante. 193 00:09:54,105 --> 00:09:56,365 Then you got the Butterfield Bermuda Championship. 194 00:09:56,504 --> 00:09:58,720 Once again, lot of guys can get into that.

195 00:09:58,779 --> 00:10:04,720 Then you've got the RSM Classic, with that one in Sea Island. 196 00:10:05,100 --> 00:10:08,960 Now I know a lot of guys playing that, but then you've got the Hero World Challenge. 197 00:10:09,019 --> 00:10:12,254 So, basically through November, you've got a lot of opportunities. 198 00:10:12,254 --> 00:10:13,315 So let's count it up.

199 00:10:13,934 --> 00:10:18,335 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. 200 00:10:18,335 --> 00:10:21,054 So you got 7 tournaments for these 201 00:10:21,054 --> 00:10:21,715 young guys. 202 00:10:22,350 --> 00:10:23,409 Is there a bar? 203 00:10:23,549 --> 00:10:25,809 Like, is there a defined bar?

204 00:10:26,190 --> 00:10:33,309 If I am in the top 20, like, if I average in the top 20 for, let's say, I start in all those 205 00:10:33,309 --> 00:10:36,049 events, am I gonna get into the signature series? 206 00:10:36,835 --> 00:10:38,355 Where's the where's the metric at? 207 00:10:38,355 --> 00:10:38,595 Right? 208 00:10:38,595 --> 00:10:39,475 Like, that's what I'm saying.

209 00:10:39,475 --> 00:10:45,095 So, like, it would be cool to know, that there is kind of a benchmark that you need to hit 210 00:10:45,475 --> 00:10:49,955 being a lower-tier player to kinda get the call-up, so to speak, and get into Signature 211 00:10:49,955 --> 00:10:51,894 events if you play well enough. 212 00:10:51,899 --> 00:10:56,059 Now I know that could be a win and then, you know, 31st and then a you know what I mean? 213 00:10:56,059 --> 00:11:00,620 But the average, where do you need to be sitting after all those starts to get into 214 00:11:00,620 --> 00:11:01,420 Signature Series? 215 00:11:01,420 --> 00:11:01,580 Yeah.

216 00:11:01,580 --> 00:11:02,059 So that's 217 00:11:02,059 --> 00:11:02,860 what it should be like. 218 00:11:02,860 --> 00:11:04,559 I totally agree with you. 219 00:11:04,860 --> 00:11:10,625 The one thing that I will say in addition to that is when it comes to, and Trot Golfer 220 00:11:10,625 --> 00:11:13,345 mentions it here, a lot of veterans are playing this week. 221 00:11:13,345 --> 00:11:16,644 Well, a lot of veterans play in this fall series that are lower in the rankings.

222 00:11:16,784 --> 00:11:20,704 So I guess it's not technically just young future talent. 223 00:11:20,704 --> 00:11:21,184 Right? 224 00:11:21,184 --> 00:11:27,179 It's also guys that are trying to get their game back up in the rankings or get themselves 225 00:11:27,179 --> 00:11:31,820 back up in the rankings that have played well in the past and are veterans on the PGA Tour 226 00:11:31,820 --> 00:11:36,139 like a Kevin Streelman, like a Camilo Villegas last year. 227 00:11:36,139 --> 00:11:38,394 Because I was looking at some of the winners of these events.

228 00:11:38,394 --> 00:11:38,894 Right? 229 00:11:39,034 --> 00:11:39,274 So 230 00:11:39,514 --> 00:11:39,675 Yeah. 231 00:11:39,835 --> 00:11:44,475 One, you've got Sahith Theegala won the Fortinet Championship last year. 232 00:11:44,475 --> 00:11:46,095 That's where they're playing this week.

233 00:11:46,794 --> 00:11:48,495 That was his very first victory. 234 00:11:48,715 --> 00:11:50,329 So boom. 235 00:11:50,329 --> 00:11:50,889 Right there. 236 00:11:50,889 --> 00:11:53,709 Young talent gave him an opportunity to win.

237 00:11:53,850 --> 00:11:55,789 Then you've got Sanderson Farms. 238 00:11:56,009 --> 00:11:58,190 Luke List ends up winning that one. 239 00:11:58,250 --> 00:12:01,449 So a little bit of a veteran, I would say, out of Luke List. 240 00:12:01,449 --> 00:12:04,269 Not maybe that that's probably not the best example.

241 00:12:04,815 --> 00:12:08,674 Then you've got the Shriners, where Tom Kim won. 242 00:12:08,815 --> 00:12:09,315 Okay? 243 00:12:09,615 --> 00:12:12,355 So that was somebody who's won previously. 244 00:12:12,495 --> 00:12:14,514 Then I'm gonna skip over the Zozo.

245 00:12:14,735 --> 00:12:18,355 The Worldwide Technology Championship, Erik van Rooyen won. 246 00:12:19,549 --> 00:12:23,710 Then you've got Butterfield Bermuda Championship, and this is where, once again, 247 00:12:23,710 --> 00:12:28,990 you kinda see that veteran player, Camilo Villegas, wins after years of not winning on 248 00:12:28,990 --> 00:12:29,389 tour. 249 00:12:29,389 --> 00:12:35,044 So that was a great opportunity for him to kinda get back into the fold, keep his PGA Tour 250 00:12:35,044 --> 00:12:35,524 card. 251 00:12:35,524 --> 00:12:40,725 And then at the RSM Classic, you had rookie Ludvig Åberg win there.

252 00:12:40,725 --> 00:12:47,125 So it's kinda this mix between these old guys as well as these young players. 253 00:12:47,125 --> 00:12:49,420 So there's gotta be something branding-wise. 254 00:12:49,420 --> 00:12:53,340 I haven't thought about it enough heading into this conversation to be like, hey. 255 00:12:53,340 --> 00:12:58,160 This is what the PGA Tour should be promoting this as.

256 00:12:59,100 --> 00:13:00,024 And I don't know. 257 00:13:00,024 --> 00:13:01,544 I guess I guess I like it. 258 00:13:01,544 --> 00:13:07,384 I just wonder at the end of the year, like, in the signature events, are you really enhancing 259 00:13:07,384 --> 00:13:08,024 the product? 260 00:13:08,024 --> 00:13:13,225 Like, are those events really now showcasing the players that are playing their absolute 261 00:13:13,225 --> 00:13:14,585 best, the best in the world?

262 00:13:14,585 --> 00:13:14,789 No. 263 00:13:14,870 --> 00:13:16,470 And that's who should be playing in those. 264 00:13:16,470 --> 00:13:18,970 Like, is that a good representation of that? 265 00:13:19,269 --> 00:13:19,750 I don't know.

266 00:13:20,789 --> 00:13:21,269 You know what? 267 00:13:21,269 --> 00:13:27,750 That goes back to the branding of this whole thing, that it's the PGA Tour, but they could 268 00:13:27,750 --> 00:13:30,329 have it branded as something slightly different. 269 00:13:30,524 --> 00:13:37,085 I think fall series doesn't it obviously, it's seasonality, but as Run PMC says, it's silly 270 00:13:37,085 --> 00:13:39,425 season, which was Fall. 271 00:13:39,725 --> 00:13:42,764 Something I called it years back on the podcast.

272 00:13:42,764 --> 00:13:48,929 I was like, silly season is upon us, and this is what this fall series really is. 273 00:13:48,990 --> 00:13:54,509 And that was when it was carrying over into the next year for FedEx Cup points, standings, and 274 00:13:54,509 --> 00:13:54,909 all that. 275 00:13:54,909 --> 00:14:01,325 That's why we had a Justin Thomas appearance last year, and now he's, I don't, I believe, is 276 00:14:01,325 --> 00:14:02,784 he playing in it this week? 277 00:14:03,004 --> 00:14:03,804 I'm not quite sure.

278 00:14:03,804 --> 00:14:04,924 I'll have to double check. 279 00:14:04,924 --> 00:14:07,164 I mean, maybe they were super tricky about it. 280 00:14:07,164 --> 00:14:10,445 Maybe it's called the fall series, not only because it's fall, but because it's for the 281 00:14:10,445 --> 00:14:11,804 players that fell off. 282 00:14:11,804 --> 00:14:12,544 You know?

283 00:14:12,605 --> 00:14:13,919 You ever think about that? 284 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:17,539 I love it. 285 00:14:18,159 --> 00:14:23,519 Like, they could call this, like I think what we labeled this segment kinda as, and I don't 286 00:14:23,519 --> 00:14:28,240 even know if I mentioned that at the beginning of introducing this segment, but the proving 287 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:29,865 grounds of what you said as well. 288 00:14:30,424 --> 00:14:33,245 And maybe it's a proving grounds, young versus old.

289 00:14:34,105 --> 00:14:34,605 Yeah. 290 00:14:34,985 --> 00:14:42,105 Some sort of zest to it to let people know that this is very much these guys battling it out to 291 00:14:42,105 --> 00:14:47,670 get back to the top or to have their first chance at being, you know, one of the best. 292 00:14:51,090 --> 00:14:53,269 Now a quick word from our sponsor. 293 00:14:54,370 --> 00:14:56,470 Swannies is here with a fresh take.

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302 00:15:30,334 --> 00:15:31,075 For sure. 303 00:15:31,214 --> 00:15:35,235 And Kyle over at Carpal and Kai's, this isn't the presidential debate. 304 00:15:35,294 --> 00:15:36,480 Goddamn right, it's not. 305 00:15:37,039 --> 00:15:38,740 He said presidential debate.

306 00:15:40,159 --> 00:15:41,779 This isn't the presidential debate. 307 00:15:46,159 --> 00:15:48,320 And then Tri Golfer throws in there Sean O'Hair. 308 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:49,059 What a journeyman. 309 00:15:49,199 --> 00:15:53,715 Like, these are some of the guys that you see end up getting their careers back on track, 310 00:15:53,715 --> 00:15:55,254 being able to keep their cards.

311 00:15:55,475 --> 00:16:03,475 And I just I kinda endear this side to the season because of the potential that's there. 312 00:16:03,475 --> 00:16:08,830 I'm with you that it's not the absolute best teeing it up against each other. 313 00:16:09,289 --> 00:16:14,990 But is that I mean, we saw it funny. 314 00:16:15,370 --> 00:16:17,370 And I keep going back to this in my head.

315 00:16:17,370 --> 00:16:24,274 I'm like, the first part of the year, that really was the golf year. 316 00:16:24,735 --> 00:16:25,235 Right? 317 00:16:25,294 --> 00:16:26,674 Kinda ended in June. 318 00:16:27,934 --> 00:16:30,174 Now all of a sudden, we're like, alright.

319 00:16:30,174 --> 00:16:34,195 Now we've got the rest of the guys that are on tour. 320 00:16:35,539 --> 00:16:36,519 What do you think? 321 00:16:37,699 --> 00:16:38,759 You seem perplexed. 322 00:16:43,299 --> 00:16:48,440 I said, with the with the signature series events, basically, by the time we get to June, 323 00:16:48,659 --> 00:16:50,100 golf season's pretty much over.

324 00:16:51,274 --> 00:16:51,595 Yeah. 325 00:16:51,595 --> 00:16:55,774 For, like, having the absolute top talent going against each other. 326 00:16:55,915 --> 00:17:00,795 And I and I guess that's kinda by design, but then from there, now we head into a season to 327 00:17:00,795 --> 00:17:03,215 where a lot of the top guys aren't gonna be playing. 328 00:17:03,750 --> 00:17:03,830 No.

329 00:17:03,830 --> 00:17:04,809 We got the shitters. 330 00:17:04,950 --> 00:17:10,150 We got the shitters battling it out in the coliseum, you know, trying to get back to the 331 00:17:10,150 --> 00:17:10,789 big leagues. 332 00:17:10,789 --> 00:17:11,830 That's what it is. 333 00:17:11,830 --> 00:17:13,190 That's what they're trying to make of it.

334 00:17:13,190 --> 00:17:13,349 Right? 335 00:17:13,349 --> 00:17:15,029 Like, there's no other explanation for it. 336 00:17:15,029 --> 00:17:15,190 No. 337 00:17:15,190 --> 00:17:19,154 And that's why I think they're doing it a disservice by calling it the fall series on the 338 00:17:19,154 --> 00:17:20,054 PGA Tour.

339 00:17:20,914 --> 00:17:21,315 Yeah. 340 00:17:21,315 --> 00:17:23,954 You you I don't know. 341 00:17:23,954 --> 00:17:26,375 The PGA Tour is so nice. 342 00:17:26,595 --> 00:17:26,914 Right?

343 00:17:26,914 --> 00:17:29,174 They're not gonna I don't know. 344 00:17:29,234 --> 00:17:30,595 Everybody's feelings are hurt. 345 00:17:30,595 --> 00:17:31,315 Hey, shitters. 346 00:17:31,315 --> 00:17:31,875 Get over here.

347 00:17:31,875 --> 00:17:33,015 You're playing these events. 348 00:17:33,299 --> 00:17:34,740 You don't belong with the big boys. 349 00:17:34,740 --> 00:17:36,200 Here comes the bottom bucket. 350 00:17:37,460 --> 00:17:39,320 It's the bottom bottom bucket season.

351 00:17:40,019 --> 00:17:40,519 Yeah. 352 00:17:41,220 --> 00:17:41,619 Yeah. 353 00:17:41,619 --> 00:17:43,480 There's gotta be a better word for that. 354 00:17:44,820 --> 00:17:45,320 Yeah.

355 00:17:45,380 --> 00:17:46,680 We can work on that. 356 00:17:46,835 --> 00:17:48,674 I mean, proving grounds is pretty good. 357 00:17:48,674 --> 00:17:49,474 You know, that's what you're doing. 358 00:17:49,474 --> 00:17:49,954 You're Yeah.

359 00:17:49,954 --> 00:17:50,855 That is yourself. 360 00:17:51,075 --> 00:17:51,575 Yeah. 361 00:17:51,795 --> 00:17:52,035 Yeah. 362 00:17:52,035 --> 00:17:53,315 These are the proving grounds.

363 00:17:53,315 --> 00:17:53,555 Well 364 00:17:53,714 --> 00:17:56,055 Welcome to PGA Tour proving grounds. 365 00:17:56,674 --> 00:17:56,994 Yeah. 366 00:17:56,994 --> 00:17:58,595 Proving grounds event coming up. 367 00:17:58,595 --> 00:18:00,275 Oh, it's a proving grounds event?

368 00:18:00,275 --> 00:18:00,595 Okay. 369 00:18:00,595 --> 00:18:01,095 Cool. 370 00:18:01,470 --> 00:18:02,910 Who's, who's on the bubble? 371 00:18:02,910 --> 00:18:03,150 Right?

372 00:18:03,150 --> 00:18:06,450 Who needs to play well this week to secure a spot in the signature event? 373 00:18:06,669 --> 00:18:08,509 Potentially change their lives playing for all. 374 00:18:08,509 --> 00:18:15,490 And the cash is like, what is a what is a win in the fall series versus a signature event 375 00:18:15,950 --> 00:18:16,769 money wise? 376 00:18:17,455 --> 00:18:18,414 Big difference.

377 00:18:18,414 --> 00:18:18,914 Big. 378 00:18:20,174 --> 00:18:21,475 Like yeah. 379 00:18:21,535 --> 00:18:24,515 They're like I I mean, they're decent purses. 380 00:18:24,575 --> 00:18:29,555 I mean, the guys are still winning a mil, like, in a mil and a half depending on the event.

381 00:18:29,615 --> 00:18:33,950 They're, like, between, I just saw one for $6 million. 382 00:18:33,950 --> 00:18:37,250 So this one this week is $6 million. 383 00:18:37,390 --> 00:18:40,450 Then you got $7.6 million at Sanderson Farms. 384 00:18:40,509 --> 00:18:43,029 Then at Black Desert, you got $7.5 million.

385 00:18:43,029 --> 00:18:44,684 Shriners is $7 million. 386 00:18:45,164 --> 00:18:49,985 Zozo is $8.5 million, but that's gonna be more of your top guys on tour. 387 00:18:51,565 --> 00:18:57,085 $7.2 million for the Worldwide Technology, $6.9 million for Bermuda, and then it ends with the 388 00:18:57,085 --> 00:18:58,605 RSM at $8 million. 389 00:18:58,605 --> 00:19:03,740 So it's not like, that's pretty good purses, but it's not Yep.

390 00:19:03,820 --> 00:19:05,019 The Signature Series events. 391 00:19:05,019 --> 00:19:05,740 You know what I mean? 392 00:19:05,740 --> 00:19:07,660 Or what do you and what do you win on Korn Ferry? 393 00:19:07,660 --> 00:19:10,320 Like, $400,000, something like that?

394 00:19:10,380 --> 00:19:10,700 Yeah. 395 00:19:10,700 --> 00:19:11,200 Probably. 396 00:19:11,340 --> 00:19:12,704 I think around that. 397 00:19:13,105 --> 00:19:20,625 So so so they've created, you know, a gap wedge, so to speak, in professional golf.

398 00:19:20,625 --> 00:19:21,744 Korn Ferry, you made it. 399 00:19:21,744 --> 00:19:24,144 You're playing with the big boys, but you're not quite there. 400 00:19:24,144 --> 00:19:25,599 Like, you're not yeah. 401 00:19:25,599 --> 00:19:28,960 And you gotta stay you gotta stay up there to play for all that money.

402 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:29,599 I don't know. 403 00:19:29,599 --> 00:19:30,419 I like it. 404 00:19:30,799 --> 00:19:34,819 I kinda I kinda like just what we've talked about, Proving Grounds. 405 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:35,599 Yeah.

406 00:19:35,599 --> 00:19:36,240 Proving Grounds. 407 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:37,440 It's the season Proving Grounds. 408 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:37,919 Yeah. 409 00:19:37,919 --> 00:19:40,339 It's the season for guys to prove themselves.

410 00:19:41,095 --> 00:19:41,575 Yeah. 411 00:19:41,575 --> 00:19:45,974 And I think that's how it should be bring I think you could actually build up something big 412 00:19:45,974 --> 00:19:46,794 around that. 413 00:19:48,454 --> 00:19:48,934 You could. 414 00:19:48,934 --> 00:19:50,794 You could create a whole lot of drama.

415 00:19:50,855 --> 00:19:53,115 You could cover journeymen. 416 00:19:53,414 --> 00:19:55,095 Oh, that's they're like