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1 00:00:11,359 --> 00:00:14,419 Welcome back, everybody, to Pull Hook Golf, the podcast. 2 00:00:14,719 --> 00:00:15,974 I'm your host, Matt Cook. 3 00:00:16,054 --> 00:00:17,975 Tonight, we've got Buttsy. 4 00:00:17,975 --> 00:00:20,315 We've got our tour insider, Brent Grant.
5 00:00:20,535 --> 00:00:27,414 And man, do we have an episode for you because this is the last show of 2024, and we're going 6 00:00:27,414 --> 00:00:29,994 to get it kick-started with the TRF report with Buttsy. 7 00:00:30,140 --> 00:00:37,820 Then we're gonna dive into the 2024 Pro Golf Year in Review, where we basically break down 8 00:00:37,820 --> 00:00:40,320 all the big stories and headlines from 2024. 9 00:00:40,780 --> 00:00:47,075 Then we're gonna get into some expectations and predictions that we have for 2025, a little 10 00:00:47,075 --> 00:00:51,234 preview of the Century, which I just realized is this week, gentlemen. 11 00:00:51,234 --> 00:00:54,274 So that's gonna be interesting in and of itself.
12 00:00:54,274 --> 00:00:55,715 I know it kinda caught me off guard. 13 00:00:55,715 --> 00:00:58,200 I'm like, I was kind of expecting it to be next week. 14 00:00:59,399 --> 00:01:02,679 But that being said, we will cover that. 15 00:01:02,679 --> 00:01:09,079 And then we've got a couple of extra little pieces towards the end as well, but let's get 16 00:01:09,079 --> 00:01:14,924 it started here by thanking our show sponsor Devereux Golf, as well as Swannies Golf.
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34 00:02:19,620 --> 00:02:26,659 Now Buttsy, as New Year's is coming up here and a lot of guys and a lot of girls are starting 35 00:02:26,659 --> 00:02:28,200 to set their New Year's resolutions. 36 00:02:28,340 --> 00:02:32,200 What's your advice for golfers for their New Year's resolutions? 37 00:02:34,004 --> 00:02:34,745 Oh, man. 38 00:02:35,365 --> 00:02:37,864 This is gonna be my own advice as well.
39 00:02:38,164 --> 00:02:40,965 That is to not gonna spend any more. 40 00:02:41,044 --> 00:02:42,425 We're not, don't buy clubs. 41 00:02:42,724 --> 00:02:44,185 Don't spend money on clubs. 42 00:02:44,564 --> 00:02:45,705 Stop buying equipment.
43 00:02:45,949 --> 00:02:49,870 Stop looking at these juicy new drivers that literally go no further than they've ever 44 00:02:49,870 --> 00:02:51,469 claimed to go over the last 10 years. 45 00:02:51,469 --> 00:02:56,269 If they did, we'd be hitting it 1,000 yards by now, but get a fucking lesson 46 00:02:56,269 --> 00:02:56,509 for the 47 00:02:56,509 --> 00:02:57,069 new year. 48 00:02:57,069 --> 00:02:57,969 Go get a lesson. 49 00:02:58,294 --> 00:03:00,794 Learn how to align yourself to the golf ball.
50 00:03:01,334 --> 00:03:02,375 Learn how to aim. 51 00:03:02,375 --> 00:03:07,735 Start there and spend some money investing in the physical side of your game, which is your 52 00:03:07,735 --> 00:03:14,079 setup, and have somebody get their eye on you and quit worrying about the newest piece of 53 00:03:14,079 --> 00:03:15,459 equipment that you don't have. 54 00:03:16,239 --> 00:03:16,560 Wow. 55 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,039 That's pretty actually solid advice out of you.
56 00:03:19,039 --> 00:03:23,840 I was expecting something, you know, comical, but that was dead on. 57 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:25,935 I mean, invest into yourself this year. 58 00:03:26,094 --> 00:03:27,455 That's the comical, man. 59 00:03:27,854 --> 00:03:31,155 I mean, and we can get into that if you really wanna, you know?
60 00:03:31,294 --> 00:03:36,414 I mean, there's 30 handicaps that go out and spend $500 every year and pray and beg their 61 00:03:36,414 --> 00:03:39,775 wives so they can finally go get that new fucking driver, then they go out and they dent 62 00:03:39,775 --> 00:03:41,669 the fuck out of the bottom of that one too. 63 00:03:42,550 --> 00:03:44,469 So, that's what I mean. 64 00:03:44,469 --> 00:03:49,530 At least get good enough where you reap the benefits of a shaft fitting. 65 00:03:49,590 --> 00:03:52,949 You're gonna go spend $300 on a shaft.
66 00:03:52,949 --> 00:03:56,789 At least get to the point where that makes a fucking difference, and you're not just showing 67 00:03:56,789 --> 00:03:57,610 off the paint. 68 00:03:57,805 --> 00:04:00,385 So that would be my advice. 69 00:04:01,405 --> 00:04:03,905 And wants to know, who's your teacher, Buttsy? 70 00:04:04,284 --> 00:04:07,105 Who's gonna be giving you that golf lesson in 2025?
71 00:04:08,764 --> 00:04:12,200 Well, first and foremost, God, you know, God is. 72 00:04:13,219 --> 00:04:14,419 And, no. 73 00:04:14,740 --> 00:04:16,100 I have several teachers, man. 74 00:04:16,100 --> 00:04:20,259 It's usually whoever I end up hanging out with more that I can say, hey.
75 00:04:20,259 --> 00:04:21,959 Why does this look so fucked up? 76 00:04:22,020 --> 00:04:23,574 And, what do you think? 77 00:04:23,574 --> 00:04:27,995 And they'll give me a tip, and then I'll go down the hallway with that for about four hours 78 00:04:28,055 --> 00:04:33,495 over the course of six months that I don't practice until I hang out with another buddy, 79 00:04:33,495 --> 00:04:34,694 and then he's my teacher. 80 00:04:34,694 --> 00:04:35,670 So, no.
81 00:04:35,670 --> 00:04:36,629 I'm gonna lock in. 82 00:04:36,629 --> 00:04:38,009 I'm gonna go see somebody. 83 00:04:38,389 --> 00:04:39,830 I'm gonna put in the effort. 84 00:04:39,830 --> 00:04:44,710 I've committed to practicing for, like, at least two nights a week and maybe play some 85 00:04:44,710 --> 00:04:48,090 afternoon golf that isn't just blacked out once a week on a Saturday.
86 00:04:48,629 --> 00:04:49,529 There you go. 87 00:04:50,224 --> 00:04:52,224 I gotta tell you, it's solid advice though. 88 00:04:52,224 --> 00:04:53,584 Invest in yourself, folks. 89 00:04:53,584 --> 00:04:54,704 Go get yourself a lesson.
90 00:04:54,704 --> 00:05:01,584 Go get yourself in the gym and get working out with a golf fitness trainer because that's 91 00:05:01,584 --> 00:05:03,824 gonna make a big difference as well. 92 00:05:03,824 --> 00:05:13,750 Or at least take a look at guys like Ando on Instagram, who I'll attach his Instagram in the 93 00:05:13,750 --> 00:05:14,810 podcast information. 94 00:05:14,949 --> 00:05:19,805 But if you go on and watch some of these Instagram videos that they do, they're 95 00:05:19,805 --> 00:05:23,904 basically giving you the blueprint as to what to do in the gym, which is pretty sweet. 96 00:05:24,284 --> 00:05:24,764 Yeah.
97 00:05:24,764 --> 00:05:28,224 I don't do any of that in the gym, but I'm not here for that. 98 00:05:28,284 --> 00:05:29,644 So, anyways. 99 00:05:31,084 --> 00:05:32,444 You're up there for the bulk. 100 00:05:32,444 --> 00:05:33,805 Get that pump on, baby.
101 00:05:33,805 --> 00:05:35,680 I just like lifting fucking heavyweights. 102 00:05:35,819 --> 00:05:36,860 That ain't gonna slow down. 103 00:05:36,860 --> 00:05:37,899 Y'all like doing that. 104 00:05:37,899 --> 00:05:44,139 So till these joints give out and my backswing literally stops in my back pocket, on my feet 105 00:05:44,139 --> 00:05:44,639 too.
106 00:05:47,419 --> 00:05:48,639 It already does. 107 00:05:50,035 --> 00:05:50,355 Shit. 108 00:05:50,355 --> 00:05:51,335 It already does. 109 00:05:51,634 --> 00:05:52,595 There you go, folks.
110 00:05:52,595 --> 00:05:56,535 I mean, there's no better advice than right there from the tee-off report. 111 00:05:56,754 --> 00:05:58,115 Fantastic stuff there. 112 00:05:58,115 --> 00:06:05,050 Let's get right into the 2024 year in review, and I'm just gonna go over a couple of the 113 00:06:05,050 --> 00:06:06,829 biggest storylines from 2024. 114 00:06:07,209 --> 00:06:11,129 And, gentlemen, let me know if I missed anything, and then we're gonna talk about this 115 00:06:11,129 --> 00:06:12,110 for a little bit.
116 00:06:12,170 --> 00:06:16,250 We've got, first off, probably the biggest storyline. 117 00:06:16,250 --> 00:06:22,754 Scottie Scheffler wins seven times, wins the Masters, wins the Players, wins the FedEx Cup, 118 00:06:22,975 --> 00:06:26,035 and also won four of the signature series events. 119 00:06:27,455 --> 00:06:32,790 Then we've got Xander Schauffele, who won the PGA Championship and Open Championship, which 120 00:06:32,790 --> 00:06:39,189 he had finally broken through with the PGA Championship because he had that stigma that 121 00:06:39,189 --> 00:06:40,470 everybody was chiming in with. 122 00:06:40,470 --> 00:06:45,509 I mean, we were one of the many media outlets that were talking about how Xander Schauffele 123 00:06:45,509 --> 00:06:51,154 is really having a tough time closing out golf tournaments and especially when the week prior 124 00:06:51,214 --> 00:06:56,254 was the, you know, the, oh, gosh, try.
125 00:06:56,254 --> 00:06:57,214 I appreciate that. 126 00:06:57,214 --> 00:07:01,250 We will get into a little bit of the PNC recap as well. 127 00:07:01,250 --> 00:07:03,669 I know that one is close to home for you. 128 00:07:03,889 --> 00:07:05,250 So we will talk about that.
129 00:07:05,250 --> 00:07:10,709 Certainly that's in our little and more section of this particular podcast. 130 00:07:11,009 --> 00:07:16,294 But, that being said, going back to Xander Schauffele, he had lost the Wells Fargo the 131 00:07:16,294 --> 00:07:21,894 week prior to Rory McIlroy, in which he just kinda couldn't do anything on Sunday. 132 00:07:21,894 --> 00:07:23,495 And that was kind of a theme for him. 133 00:07:23,495 --> 00:07:26,474 And then all of a sudden broke through in a big way at the PGA Championship.
134 00:07:27,209 --> 00:07:32,970 And, obviously then followed that up with his second major championship win of the year and 135 00:07:32,970 --> 00:07:34,829 of his career with the Open Championship. 136 00:07:35,290 --> 00:07:41,050 Then we got Bryson DeChambeau, who this one is interesting because not only does he win the 137 00:07:41,050 --> 00:07:41,290 U.S. 138 00:07:41,290 --> 00:07:46,954 Open, but the guy becomes an absolute YouTube celebrity star within the sport. 139 00:07:47,175 --> 00:07:48,555 I mean, it's pretty incredible.
140 00:07:49,095 --> 00:07:49,495 Yeah. 141 00:07:49,495 --> 00:07:50,314 What's that? 142 00:07:50,375 --> 00:07:51,175 A real breakout. 143 00:07:51,175 --> 00:07:52,555 It's an absolute breakout.
144 00:07:52,615 --> 00:07:54,794 Like, yeah, timing couldn't have been better. 145 00:07:54,889 --> 00:07:55,050 Yeah. 146 00:07:55,050 --> 00:08:00,970 And then, I mean, the transformation of his personality too, from being hated among the 147 00:08:00,970 --> 00:08:04,329 general public to all of a sudden being loved. 148 00:08:04,329 --> 00:08:08,889 And everybody's like, oh, my God, I got to watch Bryson DeChambeau's hole in one over his 149 00:08:08,889 --> 00:08:10,745 house and all of that good stuff.
150 00:08:10,745 --> 00:08:14,044 The Break 50 series that he did. 151 00:08:14,104 --> 00:08:18,284 I mean, just a lot of good stuff that came out of Bryson DeChambeau this year. 152 00:08:18,504 --> 00:08:25,230 And then the last part was really around golf viewership, which was significantly down in 153 00:08:25,230 --> 00:08:25,730 2024. 154 00:08:26,029 --> 00:08:28,110 I didn't even realize how much it was down.
155 00:08:28,110 --> 00:08:35,389 Across the board, it was down between 20 to 25% decrease in viewership amongst all of the 156 00:08:35,389 --> 00:08:35,789 tournaments. 157 00:08:35,789 --> 00:08:39,245 And here's the crazy thing, the Masters was down 20%. 158 00:08:40,105 --> 00:08:42,684 Then you got the Phoenix Open was down 35%. 159 00:08:43,704 --> 00:08:46,444 You've got the Arnold Palmer Invitational was down 30%.
160 00:08:46,504 --> 00:08:48,845 And the Players Championship was down 15%. 161 00:08:49,464 --> 00:08:54,610 So I mean, when you look at that, some of the biggest tournaments of the year and the 162 00:08:54,610 --> 00:09:03,649 viewership is down that much, that is a pretty big hit in terms of professional golf and 163 00:09:03,649 --> 00:09:05,670 what's actually being watched out there. 164 00:09:05,715 --> 00:09:09,075 I think you said it right there, and I know we'll get into that. 165 00:09:09,075 --> 00:09:12,754 But, in terms of professional golf, viewership was down.
166 00:09:12,754 --> 00:09:12,995 Right? 167 00:09:12,995 --> 00:09:17,095 But I'd like to think golf as a whole being consumed was maybe up. 168 00:09:18,750 --> 00:09:19,250 Alright. 169 00:09:19,710 --> 00:09:19,950 Yeah.
170 00:09:19,950 --> 00:09:21,250 I'm with you there. 171 00:09:21,309 --> 00:09:25,629 Now, guys, which one was the biggest storyline for you this year? 172 00:09:25,629 --> 00:09:27,009 So we'll start with you, Buttsy. 173 00:09:27,470 --> 00:09:27,970 Alright.
174 00:09:28,429 --> 00:09:29,410 Xander breakthrough. 175 00:09:29,870 --> 00:09:36,465 Getting off the getting off the camel's back, getting it done, and now, probably not looking 176 00:09:36,465 --> 00:09:37,585 back anytime soon. 177 00:09:37,585 --> 00:09:41,044 Probably gonna get a few more, and that's just gonna be a normal thing that he does. 178 00:09:41,664 --> 00:09:41,985 Yeah.
179 00:09:41,985 --> 00:09:45,024 That was an interesting one because we got a lot of backlash over. 180 00:09:45,024 --> 00:09:52,350 We did a clip that was like, why is Xander Schauffele, the number 2, betting odds for this 181 00:09:52,350 --> 00:09:53,549 week heading into there? 182 00:09:53,549 --> 00:09:54,269 And here's the thing. 183 00:09:54,269 --> 00:09:56,049 I love seeing the players break through.
184 00:09:56,190 --> 00:10:02,465 Like, I will never stop, like, providing that type of critique on somebody even though he 185 00:10:02,465 --> 00:10:04,884 came through and broke through the very next week. 186 00:10:05,024 --> 00:10:06,705 That's awesome to see. 187 00:10:06,705 --> 00:10:13,585 Like, somebody to take all the criticism or critiques and all of a sudden be able to pull 188 00:10:13,585 --> 00:10:14,085 through. 189 00:10:14,210 --> 00:10:15,090 I love that.
190 00:10:15,090 --> 00:10:17,169 Like, that's I I love it. 191 00:10:17,169 --> 00:10:19,009 I love to see guys do that. 192 00:10:19,009 --> 00:10:20,529 But, Brent, what about you? 193 00:10:20,529 --> 00:10:22,789 What was your big storyline for 2024?
194 00:10:24,610 --> 00:10:29,410 I think it's I think it's a mix between between the two, and it's kind of a a the top two that 195 00:10:29,410 --> 00:10:32,105 you mentioned, with Scottie and Xander. 196 00:10:32,105 --> 00:10:36,904 And and the the common theme there is kind of the breakout amongst a bunch of critique. 197 00:10:36,904 --> 00:10:41,704 I mean, Scottie's Scottie's putting was under critique, is still under critique even though 198 00:10:41,704 --> 00:10:46,209 he's he's won, I think, in in all worldwide, it was, like, nine or 10 times, including a gold 199 00:10:46,209 --> 00:10:46,709 medal. 200 00:10:47,970 --> 00:10:50,289 But the same goes and the same goes for Xander.
201 00:10:50,289 --> 00:10:55,009 And and it's just it's just incredible that both those guys were not in not in the media 202 00:10:55,009 --> 00:10:59,985 for anything that they said or any, like, I mean, obviously, Scottie had a pretty 203 00:10:59,985 --> 00:11:01,924 incredible thing happen at the PGA Championship. 204 00:11:01,985 --> 00:11:06,065 But other than that, these guys made made headlines because of their play. 205 00:11:06,065 --> 00:11:08,945 It didn't have anything to do with their attitudes or anything like that. 206 00:11:08,945 --> 00:11:14,209 And and, it get it gets right back to where we should all be, which is what matters.
207 00:11:14,269 --> 00:11:15,870 So it's it's good golf. 208 00:11:15,870 --> 00:11:20,509 Let's let's let's dispense with all the politics and all the BS, and let's go play golf 209 00:11:20,509 --> 00:11:21,309 and see who wins. 210 00:11:21,309 --> 00:11:25,570 And it's pretty clear that Scottie and Xander did that the best amongst everybody. 211 00:11:25,955 --> 00:11:27,095 It's a hot take.
212 00:11:27,475 --> 00:11:28,355 Hot take right there. 213 00:11:28,355 --> 00:11:29,735 Love that out of you, Brent. 214 00:11:30,195 --> 00:11:31,394 Absolutely love that. 215 00:11:31,394 --> 00:11:37,815 Now we're gonna get into another hot take area, which is, was LIV Golf a success in 2024?
216 00:11:39,029 --> 00:11:43,449 And here's a few little points behind that. 217 00:11:43,829 --> 00:11:50,789 Rahm, who was their big signing heading into the 2024 season, didn't really move the needle 218 00:11:50,789 --> 00:11:52,409 in terms of LIV Golf viewership. 219 00:11:53,029 --> 00:11:59,924 Then you've got no additional teams were added this year, and no additional players were added 220 00:11:59,985 --> 00:12:03,445 either from the PGA Tour side in terms of big names. 221 00:12:03,825 --> 00:12:08,750 And then the CW terminating their agreement with them, which was mainly LIV Golf paying 222 00:12:08,750 --> 00:12:10,450 them for broadcast rights.
223 00:12:10,750 --> 00:12:18,670 So I know anybody who follows LIV Golf is gonna say, yeah, but they've got FS1 kinda looking to 224 00:12:18,670 --> 00:12:19,950 make a deal with them. 225 00:12:19,950 --> 00:12:21,090 That's fine and dandy. 226 00:12:22,404 --> 00:12:28,424 I haven't heard anything final around that as of yet, unless I missed something. 227 00:12:28,804 --> 00:12:34,504 But that being said, Buttsy, was LIV Golf a success in 2024?
228 00:12:36,279 --> 00:12:36,679 Man. 229 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:38,539 That's subjective, I think. 230 00:12:38,919 --> 00:12:41,899 That's what everybody says when they don't really have a good understanding. 231 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:42,700 Right?
232 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:43,500 No. 233 00:12:43,639 --> 00:12:46,860 I think they have their cult following. 234 00:12:46,919 --> 00:12:51,674 And before the start of the year, I got into it a little bit and was watching the events. 235 00:12:51,815 --> 00:12:55,834 And I thought that the product was super cool, and I liked that it showed off more players.
236 00:12:57,495 --> 00:13:01,274 At the end of the day, I don't know that it grew a whole lot. 237 00:13:01,574 --> 00:13:06,269 Like you said, I don't think, you know, 10 million new people are watching LIV Golf. 238 00:13:06,269 --> 00:13:10,509 I think the people that liked it when it first came out still love it and enjoy the product 239 00:13:10,509 --> 00:13:14,509 and enjoy watching some of the guys that they don't get to see play golf on the PGA Tour 240 00:13:14,509 --> 00:13:20,384 anymore play golf out there, however fufu they might think that is or the music and all that. 241 00:13:21,644 --> 00:13:21,884 Yeah.
242 00:13:21,884 --> 00:13:23,324 I don't know that they've grown. 243 00:13:23,324 --> 00:13:27,725 I don't know that they've grabbed a bunch of the up-and-coming generation that's learning 244 00:13:27,725 --> 00:13:30,970 the game, and I don't think that the product's really improved. 245 00:13:30,970 --> 00:13:42,264 I think it's just kinda, it's kinda, you know, maintaining altitude, and we'll see what 246 00:13:42,264 --> 00:13:42,424 happens. 247 00:13:42,424 --> 00:13:43,725 They're gonna have to do something different.
248 00:13:44,985 --> 00:13:46,204 Brent, what about you? 249 00:13:46,264 --> 00:13:47,784 Can I ask you the same question? 250 00:13:47,784 --> 00:13:48,105 Yeah. 251 00:13:48,264 --> 00:13:50,044 LIV Golf as success in 2024.
252 00:13:51,384 --> 00:13:54,204 I think I think it totally depends on your perspective. 253 00:13:54,345 --> 00:14:02,029 Obviously, for the majority of the players that have remained and are still making a crap load 254 00:14:02,029 --> 00:14:04,829 of money doing their thing, they feel great about it. 255 00:14:04,990 --> 00:14:10,029 Obviously, Bryson has been given a huge platform and is able to do what he wants with 256 00:14:10,029 --> 00:14:15,315 his, with his own image, which is crucial, and that's a part of a huge conversation, I think, 257 00:14:15,315 --> 00:14:16,455 going into 2025. 258 00:14:17,394 --> 00:14:18,934 But we can get into that later.
259 00:14:19,875 --> 00:14:24,434 And then on the other side of it, I talked to a bunch of people in Nashville, a bunch of the 260 00:14:24,434 --> 00:14:28,789 members at The Grove, which is where they host one of the events. 261 00:14:29,009 --> 00:14:34,769 And it just sort of seems like it's a novelty kind of thing that you get, you know, a bunch 262 00:14:34,769 --> 00:14:39,404 of young folks out there and they wanna go and party, and that's kinda what the audience is. 263 00:14:39,565 --> 00:14:43,004 And then you, like you said, Buttsy, you've got the homers that, hey, you know what? 264 00:14:43,004 --> 00:14:44,225 Fuck the PGA Tour.
265 00:14:44,365 --> 00:14:49,404 We're gonna anything anti-PGA Tour, we're gonna go ahead and give our support to that. 266 00:14:49,404 --> 00:14:53,730 So, overall, as a professional golfer, I would say absolutely not. 267 00:14:54,129 --> 00:14:59,730 I don't think the LIV tour has grown in popularity to the point where you could say 268 00:14:59,730 --> 00:15:07,350 that it gained any ground other than that they were able to kinda use the deal that they made 269 00:15:08,105 --> 00:15:11,144 in May, and we'll see what happens. 270 00:15:11,144 --> 00:15:13,325 But 2024, not a success.
271 00:15:13,865 --> 00:15:14,024 You 272 00:15:14,024 --> 00:15:14,264 know? 273 00:15:14,264 --> 00:15:14,664 Yeah. 274 00:15:14,664 --> 00:15:17,225 2024 was rough for LIV Golf in my opinion. 275 00:15:17,225 --> 00:15:21,980 I mean, they had some breakout stars like Joaquín Niemann really had a great beginning to 276 00:15:21,980 --> 00:15:25,679 the year that was kind of leading into the Masters and everything.
277 00:15:25,899 --> 00:15:29,919 Bryson DeChambeau was definitely a highlight for LIV Golf. 278 00:15:29,980 --> 00:15:35,495 However, I don't even know with all of the stuff that Bryson did if it really pushed the 279 00:15:35,495 --> 00:15:38,134 LIV Golf product that much. 280 00:15:38,134 --> 00:15:38,454 Right? 281 00:15:38,454 --> 00:15:40,481 It was more so his own personal brand.
282 00:15:40,481 --> 00:15:41,274 For sure. 283 00:15:41,334 --> 00:15:41,574 Yeah. 284 00:15:41,574 --> 00:15:43,334 I think you're right, Buttsy. 285 00:15:43,334 --> 00:15:48,375 I think it took away from the LIV Golf product, and more people just started watching him on 286 00:15:48,375 --> 00:15:50,809 YouTube, and that's where they were getting their fix.
287 00:15:51,029 --> 00:15:57,429 It might be part of the reason that the PGA Tour was, as dumb as we try to say they are, is 288 00:15:57,429 --> 00:16:02,309 so hard on those media rights, you know, because they don't want anything like that to 289 00:16:02,309 --> 00:16:02,809 happen. 290 00:16:02,950 --> 00:16:03,269 Yeah. 291 00:16:03,269 --> 00:16:04,230 I mean, it's tough, right? 292 00:16:04,230 --> 00:16:12,204 Because part of what kind of, you know, came about with regards to Bryson and his media 293 00:16:12,204 --> 00:16:17,084 rights was Phil that said the same thing, was that the argument can absolutely be made that 294 00:16:17,084 --> 00:16:20,850 it may or may not take away from the LIV tour as a whole.
295 00:16:20,850 --> 00:16:26,529 But, honestly, I mean, if you can have a bunch of people all in lockstep growing their brand, 296 00:16:26,769 --> 00:16:32,705 actually growing their brands, I mean, Bryson, aside from maybe Phil trying to give it a shot 297 00:16:32,705 --> 00:16:37,504 and maybe a couple other guys, nobody was doing anywhere near the amount of work that Bryson 298 00:16:37,504 --> 00:16:38,245 was doing. 299 00:16:38,544 --> 00:16:43,904 But that's what it takes, and that's something that, unfortunately, the PGA Tour has kind of 300 00:16:43,904 --> 00:16:47,159 stamped down on because it does take a lot of work to grow somebody's brand. 301 00:16:47,159 --> 00:16:51,179 And they got 300 guys that are responsible for 300 plus. 302 00:16:51,399 --> 00:16:53,480 And, I mean, who the hell's got the time for that?
303 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:53,720 So 304 00:16:54,039 --> 00:16:55,799 When you have a marketplace now. 305 00:16:55,799 --> 00:16:56,199 Right? 306 00:16:56,199 --> 00:16:56,699 Exactly. 307 00:16:56,839 --> 00:16:57,240 Yep.
308 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:58,620 Golf attention span. 309 00:16:59,159 --> 00:17:04,085 And there's a lot of other places to shop now than just the classic product that was the PGA 310 00:17:04,085 --> 00:17:04,325 Tour. 311 00:17:04,325 --> 00:17:04,804 And yeah. 312 00:17:04,964 --> 00:17:05,605 Everything on.
313 00:17:05,684 --> 00:17:05,791 Well. 314 00:17:06,005 --> 00:17:06,724 That's not shown. 315 00:17:06,724 --> 00:17:08,005 I actually have a question for you guys. 316 00:17:08,005 --> 00:17:13,444 So we talked about that clip of Bryson making that putt, and I think it was at Meridien in 317 00:17:13,444 --> 00:17:13,944 Dallas.
318 00:17:14,164 --> 00:17:19,029 And, obviously, there were some things that were happening on the green there, but this was 319 00:17:19,029 --> 00:17:24,470 a 15-second clip that you had, you know, a borderline Hall of Fame quarterback and one of 320 00:17:24,470 --> 00:17:29,990 the best players in the world alongside each other doing what they were doing for 15 321 00:17:29,990 --> 00:17:30,309 seconds. 322 00:17:30,309 --> 00:17:35,734 And I guarantee you that thing got more clicks and more views than anything the PGA Tour has 323 00:17:35,734 --> 00:17:36,234 done. 324 00:17:37,575 --> 00:17:38,775 For I think this is gonna 325 00:17:38,775 --> 00:17:39,054 be a battle. 326 00:17:39,255 --> 00:17:40,154 Circuits probably.
327 00:17:41,095 --> 00:17:41,414 Yeah. 328 00:17:41,414 --> 00:17:46,859 And I think it's gonna be a battle between professional golf and the likes of YouTube 329 00:17:46,859 --> 00:17:47,180 golf. 330 00:17:47,180 --> 00:17:50,380 I think there's a real battle here for eyeballs. 331 00:17:50,380 --> 00:17:55,019 And I don't think it's necessarily, you know, PGA Tour versus LIV Golf.
332 00:17:55,019 --> 00:17:58,559 I think you have your traditional professional golf fan. 333 00:17:58,815 --> 00:18:04,115 I think LIV has kind of grabbed, you know, the people that were haters of the PGA Tour. 334 00:18:04,494 --> 00:18:09,315 And then you've got this new audience that is all about YouTube golf. 335 00:18:09,694 --> 00:18:15,059 And what's the one thing that throughout the ages outside of when Tiger Woods was in 336 00:18:15,059 --> 00:18:19,079 contention, what is professional golf known for?
337 00:18:19,460 --> 00:18:20,359 It's boring. 338 00:18:20,500 --> 00:18:22,440 It's like watching grass grow. 339 00:18:22,740 --> 00:18:27,399 Like it's a great way to fall asleep if you're having issues taking a nap. 340 00:18:27,595 --> 00:18:33,055 Like that was professional golf in a lot of ways throughout the years.
341 00:18:33,195 --> 00:18:34,154 And it still is. 342 00:18:34,154 --> 00:18:37,275 And I think that's the part that is missed, right? 343 00:18:37,275 --> 00:18:41,115 That the product itself isn't necessarily great. 344 00:18:41,115 --> 00:18:41,595 Yeah.
345 00:18:41,595 --> 00:18:45,590 You're going to watch great golf, but I think people wanna be entertained. 346 00:18:45,730 --> 00:18:45,970 Mhmm. 347 00:18:45,970 --> 00:18:48,869 And that's where the YouTube golf side becomes really interesting. 348 00:18:49,170 --> 00:18:55,090 And LIV Golf was kind of a bridge over to that side of the world, but they're not really 349 00:18:55,090 --> 00:18:59,269 benefiting from Bryson DeChambeau blowing up his own personal channel.
350 00:18:59,545 --> 00:19:02,845 And, you know, not just YouTube golf. 351 00:19:04,105 --> 00:19:09,224 Internet media, like, in general has disrupted every part of everything. 352 00:19:09,224 --> 00:19:10,664 I mean, what is it? 353 00:19:10,664 --> 00:19:11,884 MrBeast Games.
354 00:19:11,945 --> 00:19:12,265 Right? 355 00:19:12,265 --> 00:19:16,900 Like, the most watched, one of the most watched shows, like, in the history of anything that 356 00:19:16,900 --> 00:19:18,279 you could watch. 357 00:19:18,740 --> 00:19:21,940 It's a YouTube show, and it's put on by somebody and that, you know, they did it 358 00:19:21,940 --> 00:19:23,460 themselves versus a network. 359 00:19:23,460 --> 00:19:25,859 And you could liken networks to the PGA Tour.
360 00:19:25,859 --> 00:19:27,000 They're a golf network. 361 00:19:27,734 --> 00:19:30,694 All of this other media online now is starting to come up. 362 00:19:30,694 --> 00:19:33,035 And like you said, they're doing things differently. 363 00:19:33,255 --> 00:19:36,775 It's different, and people like that.
364 00:19:36,775 --> 00:19:38,154 Like, it's worth their time. 365 00:19:38,775 --> 00:19:39,095 Yeah. 366 00:19:39,095 --> 00:19:43,035 And Trot even mentions there's still no mics on the bag and the caddie. 367 00:19:43,309 --> 00:19:44,910 He's like, this isn't hard.
368 00:19:44,910 --> 00:19:48,669 And that definitely adds an element to it. 369 00:19:48,669 --> 00:19:49,169 Right? 370 00:19:49,390 --> 00:19:55,630 Where the caddies, I feel like those are the guys a lot of times are the characters that are 371 00:19:55,630 --> 00:19:56,535 out there on tour. 372 00:19:56,535 --> 00:19:58,955 I mean, just interviewing a few of them and so forth.
373 00:19:59,015 --> 00:20:01,755 It's like, man, those guys have huge personalities. 374 00:20:01,894 --> 00:20:03,275 They've got a ton of stories. 375 00:20:03,815 --> 00:20:07,815 Those are the guys that it's like, okay, I want to see all of a sudden if they know their guy 376 00:20:07,815 --> 00:20:14,789 that well in the middle of like a heated situation where they're under pressure, they're 377 00:20:14,789 --> 00:20:16,869 under the gun, how are they gonna calm them down? 378 00:20:16,869 --> 00:20:18,330 Like, what are they gonna do?
379 00:20:18,470 --> 00:20:22,470 Like, imagine hearing one of them, like, a guy hits the shot and, like, under his breath, 380 00:20:22,470 --> 00:20:23,109 like, oh, fuck. 381 00:20:23,109 --> 00:20:23,744 He cooked it. 382 00:20:23,744 --> 00:20:24,644 You know what I mean? 383 00:20:25,025 --> 00:20:26,144 Like, it's just yeah.
384 00:20:26,144 --> 00:20:29,825 I mean, shit that they probably wouldn't want you to hear, but, yeah, like, you'd pick up 385 00:20:29,825 --> 00:20:31,045 some amazing stuff. 386 00:20:31,744 --> 00:20:38,080 I think the professional game has lacked authenticity in a lot of ways where it's not 387 00:20:38,460 --> 00:20:38,779 real. 388 00:20:38,779 --> 00:20:40,220 Like, so many guys. 389 00:20:40,220 --> 00:20:45,680 And it's funny because on the last episode around the match, a lot of people brought up 390 00:20:45,820 -->
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